Friday, 21 April 2017

Dating thai boys (50) Thieves

Dating thai boys (50) Thieves
My first compilation of all cases of attempted or successful theft, robbery, shortchange. Including some hitherto unreported cases.
After another theft (about 6000 Baht on Tue 21mar2017 about 5 am), I have to make a list to keep track:

1. Golf 80 Baht. 
A local boy Golf in Lak Si in 2013 about 80 Baht. I kept a stack of 10 Baht coins on my wardrobe, because washing machine requires 3x10 Baht coins. That boy and some of his friends were in my room, and I saw that he saw, and he saw that I saw that he saw, the money on the wardrobe. I thought it’s too high for him to reach, and I would keep an eye on it anyway. But suddenly the money was gone. Then I could see the shape of the coins in his pocket, but couldn’t come up with an occasion to hug him and get my hand into his pocket to get the money back before they left. The same group of boys stole my Swiss army knife (estimate 2000 Baht) another time we met. You could argue that 80 Baht is not worth writing about, but he would have stolen 100, 1000, or 10,000 Baht if he had had the opportunity.

Headache boy 1500 Baht

2. Bank 5000 Baht 
A friend Bank (no sex) stole about 5000 Baht in Sakon Nakon on Fri 17.07.2015. Reported here: Originally I thought it was the driver who stole the money. But on my last trip (autumn 2016) to Sakon Nakon I learnt from the abbot that Bank is now in prison, he stole and/or embezzled money from the abbot as well!

3. Art 2200 Baht and attempt to steal camera
A friend Art (moneyboy) tried to steal my camera on Mon 16.11.2015. Details here: That would have been a financial damage of 22 kTHB. He tried to steal several underwear as well, actually he brought a back pack so he can get all the stolen goods out of my room. Before he stole about 2000 Baht (no proof, just the feeling "yesterday I had more money in my wallet, where has it gone?" without drawing a connection to the boy), and on that day stole 200 Baht (I counted before and after his visit).

4. Bom Minburi 300 Baht
A friend Bom (moneyboy) stole 300 Baht (I counted) on Tue 12.07.2016. But he is cute and good in bed, will invite him again, once I have figured out how to secretly record video of my room to get the next theft on video (just for my own pleasure, I have no plan to confront him). 1100 for ST and 300 stolen. 

Update Mon 26jun2017:
Bom Minburi 1200 for ST and 500 stolen.

Update 25sep2017:
Bom Minburi 1000 for ST and 820 stolen, recorded on video.

5. Boss McDo headphones and shirt
Boss McDo was in my room on 20jan2017, and on 26jan2017 I notice my bluetooth headphones (cost about 1600 Baht) and my only long-sleeved shirt (cost estimated 200 Bath) are missing. This boy has a track record of "borrowing" underwear and shirts whenever he came to my room, and not returning them. I have no proof, but everything fits. Only alternative is that I had headphones and shirt with me on the trip, and hotel staff stole it.

6. Ball about 6000 Baht
A friend Ball steals about 6000 Baht (5x1000 Baht note and about 10x100 Baht note). Our relationship started very positive and up to the theft there were good prospects:, whereas Golf/Art/Bom were stupid and lazy, not useful for anymore than a fuck.

Our relationship was growing stronger. I messaged him in the morning and set up a date for the night, and deliberately I didn't message him afterwards to remind him to see if he remembers. (Most other boys would have forgotten, or don't plan that far in advance, and when I really want to see a boy I message him every few hours "how are you / where are you / what are you doing now / have you eaten yet" or send pictures of me, to jog his memory. But in a case where it's not important, I just leave it and see what happens - usually the boy forgets.)

He came Monday evening, we did small talk and I let him play on my computer. But at midnight I told him we will sleep now (I can’t sleep when there is light or sound, that means I cannot let him use my computer when want to sleep), so we went to bed. Poor sleep for both of us. Half awake, I notice him in the bathroom and at the refrigerator. Then I notice he is crouching where my trousers with wallet are (I should keep them on the head end of my bed instead of at my feet, that's what I do now), but don’t follow that thought. Then he tells me he wants to go to 7-Eleven to buy food. I wonder why he doesn’t ask for money (hours before he told me has 5 Baht left), but don’t follow that thought. He doesn’t ask for the key for door downstairs, but I give it to him and don’t follow the thought (at least I detached the key for my room from the key ring!).

A minute after he left, I connect all these points, open my wallet, and find the stack of banknotes greatly diminished. Without light, I was barely able to distinguish between the notes, but the following morning I found a bus ticket (I keep them in my wallet) in my bathroom, that means he took my wallet to the bathroom to search in light. He opened and closed the zipper without me hearing it. 

Interesting: Art and Bom took so little that I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't counted. Bank and Ball took so much that I must notice, but they didn't take all of it.

All the other thieves were stupid, but this one is clever and he knows I would notice. Messages on Line not read, and he blocked me on facebook. When I try to open his profile “Content not available” appears. He even blocked a Farang friend I introduced him to. But via a Thai friend I got a screen shot of his facebook: hours after the theft “I’m going to buy a new phone” and the evening “going to bar to drink alcohol”. I still don’t know if it was planned or by chance, and if he stole smaller amounts before (usually I don’t have that much money with me).

I know where he lives within 20 m (we looked on Google street view one of the first times we met), but the money is probably spent already, no point going there.

But looking at it from a positive side: he is a bit fat for my taste, and some hairs on balls and crotch. After the initial excitement, sex only every second time we met and then mostly because I can’t dole out money for nothing. Although that one-meter-cumshot would have been worth a closer look.

Now my calculation is this: without the theft, we would continue meeting twice per month, I would give him 400 Baht each, that’s 800 per month, that’s 9600 per year, not so much for sex, more because I like him. From that point of view, I gained experience and even save money in the long run!

Sum 17,380 Baht in 4 years. Not just money boys (I can understand that, I'm just a customer, and if I notice the theft and throw the boy out, the boy gets another customer and I get another boy, and life goes on), but people I had the beginning of a friendship with (Bank, Ball).

"If you expect the world to be fair with you because you are fair, you're fooling yourself. That's like expecting a lion not to eat you because you don't eat lion."

In my cases, only cash or goods were stolen. Two friends had credit/debit cards stolen, and then expensive and easy to sell stuff bought with the card.

Other avoidable losses: 
In my early years (2009-2012), I twice lent money to Germans who I just met (500 Baht in each case), even exchanging phone number or email to facilitate return of the money (I was that naive at that time!). I just couldn't imagine that someone can fall that low to borrow money (500 Baht, at that time that was 10 Euro!) from a compatriot without intention or means to return it.

Shortchanged in Bali 2015 (about 30 Euro loss), attempted shortchange in Bangkok 2016 (would have been 3000 Baht loss). 

Forgot bag in taxi 2015, despite instantly calling their hotline and describing everything in Thai, not returned. Here we don't know what happened. The bag was in back seat, the taxi might have been from a corporation, so driver did not notice when he returned it. Or other passenger found it and kept it?

One attempted robbery in Saranrom in 2013 (boy drunk or drugs?), one attempted robbery in Lak Si near my place in 2013 (drunk), one attempted robbery near Hua Lampong, one attempted theft in a songtheo in front of Seacon Square Srinakarin
The interesting connection between the last two is that the robber/thief tried to look into my wallet while I was paying something. As I'm taller than most Thais, they have to get on their toe-tips or make a long neck, and I noticed subconsciously in both cases, but didn't draw conclusion.

Sidenote: I should pay more attention to my subconsciousness. In some cases I noticed subconsciously that something is wrong, but didn't raise that to my consciousness.

Language note: I define the following:
A thief uses stealth. The victim doesn't notice until after the theft. In perfect cases, the victim doesn't notice at all (Had I not put 11x100 Baht notes in my wallet before Bom came to my place, and had I not counted 8x100 Baht notes left after he left, I would not have noticed that 3x100 Baht notes are missing!). There is only one person involved in a theft, the thief, whereas the victim is away or unaware of what's going on.
A robber uses violence or force. Either threatening the victim or chain or bag snatch. There are two people involved in a robbery, the robber and the victim.
In German we have this clear and useful distinction (theft = Diebstahl, robbery = Raub), which seems to be missing in common English (consulting dictionary and asking friends). However, supports my definitions. If you know better, please comment.

Copyright 2017 ChristianPFC


  1. You take the right approach, just write it off as experience. But to call them friends, is a bit far fetched. Your openness about all this is much appreciated, not many people will do so.

    1. Indeed,"friend" is a wide field. On the forums you rarely read about thefts, either 1)they don't happen that often 2)people don't notice them or 3)are ashamed to admit. Let's say in accumulated 5 years in Thailand I had 300 people who had an occasion to steal, and 6 did, that's 2%. For most tourists, who stay in hotels and take only short time, it's easier to prevent theft (keep better track of your stuff in a hotel room).

    2. My partner & I [ we are heterosexual ] were practically in a relationship with a guy from one of the bars. This went on for five months and we became "friends." This "friendship' involved daily texting & video calls from him when we were not in Bk. { I wan see your face ] And gifts. Good to note he never stole a thing from us - but the "friendship" ground to an abrupt halt two weeks ago when he claimed to be leaving Bk. Of course, "leaving Bk" could simply mean he met bigger fish ;) Oh, well.

  2. Considering all of the mental health issues that you have, are you sure that you are not just imagining some of these "thefts"?

    1. I don't imagine anything. Everything happened as I described.

      Everyone else seems to have found a spot in the wide range from monogamous relationship to butterfly and whore monger, only I constantly have problems with boys, so the problem might indeed be in my head.

    2. Hanguy (from Thai Gay)1 May 2017 at 12:38

      Chris, efficient and down-to-earth as you are, I feel like you still have your head in the clouds from time to time, trying to believe the good in people. Maybe you are more vulnerable than you would like to admit. That's a good thing, IMHO, anyway.

  3. English has quite a few words for stealing from Latin and French, and the meanings are subtle. EG.
    break-in,burglary,crime,embezzlement,extortion, fraud,heist,holdup,larceny,looting,mugging,piracy,

    However, robbery is a word in English that does mean to take something from a person by threat or use of force and it does come from the old German Roubon or Roub.

  4. Thais are mostly honest. But you are dealing with poor or very poor people and you should avoid to tempt them. First of all no money or valuables should be on display and secondly you need to put a small safe in your room and keep your wallet there while you have overnight guests. It does not eliminate the risk completely (think of flying farangs) but reduce it to negligible amount. Another thing:if somebody stole from you once, cut him off completely. If you follow these simple rules, you eliminate any kind of theft (at least at home). In your compilation you omitted some cases where money were stolen from you while you traveled with "friends".

    1. The camera and headphones were lying in the open, see it and grab it. But my money is in my wallet which is in the pocket of my trousers. That needs criminal intent.

      Poor is relative. They all have food to eat and a roof to sleep under. Ball posted on facebook he is going to buy a new phone and going to drink alcohol from my money. These are wants, not needs. Anyway, being poor is no excuse for theft.

  5. What surprises me it you seem to be frugal with money and spending and yet are so lax with you belongings in the rooms opening door to stealing opportunities.

    But I don't criticize it , sometimes is easier just to bear occasional loss than live life of paranoid fear of theft and locking everything in sight

  6. I probably wouldn't have even trusted these guys to even be in my room. Aren't u afraid of ur life? What if they bring weapons :/.

    1. Apart from being thieves, no problems. But I now hide everything that could be used as a weapon before I bring someone back. (After I had a vision of the boy Z - who talked about suicide and had scars from self-harm on his arms - locking himself into my bathroom and then self-harming with the kitchen knife I keep there for cutting fruit.)

  7. In your position, I would just invest in a room safe & ensure cameras, phone & cash are locked in it during any sleepovers. I don't like to see dishonesty pay.


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