Return to Thailand

Return to Thailand

Some people misunderstood "Looking for an alternative to Thailand". I did not relocate, I just had a closer look if I can get along with language, food, gay life, living in Taiwan. The results are positive, nonetheless I'm happy to go back to Thailand after 90 days of absence (longest absence in the last 5 years) for a month before spending the summer in Germany.

While in Taiwan, I was chatting with some boys in Thailand (stay in contact with old friends and scout new talent), a preview of what awaits me.

I have been chatting (both in person  and online) with a Lao boy who works at Klong Toey market, and who speaks surprisingly good English, for over a year . He would sometimes great me "You look handsome today!", a compliment that I would return. I did tiptoe about the issue of sexual orientation before, getting more and more direct without a clear answer, but now finally:

 

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Two in quick succession asking "what are you doing now?"

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Found some new talent on facebook and chat:

 

My translation, simplified:
CPFC: I'm Christian from Germany.
Thai Boy: Oh. Then you must be rich! Right?
CPFC: I live in Bangkok.
Thai Boy: I want an Iphone X. How can we do? 
Is there any good-hearted person who will buy me one? 
CPFC: No.
Thai Boy: Please some money first.

Language note: ใจดี jai di = good heart, in the context of gay dating means "a sucker who will send money in advance or buy gifts".
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Suddenly, Top is active on facebook again! Out of prison after about four months for drugs (info from his girlfriend).

 

my translation:
CPFC: I though you are lost. Where have you been?
Top: When you come back to Thailand, please bring a gift for me.
CPFC: Yes. Where exactly in Bangkok are you?
Top: My mobile phone is broken and I can't use it any more. Are you going to buy me a new one? Will you buy me one? I have been asking you to buy me a mobile phone since we first met.
CPFC: I can't buy you a mobile phone.
Top: Why not?
CPFC: Cannot. 
If we meet, I will fob him off with 500 THB as before.  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And boys in Pattaya as well are eagerly awaiting ChristianPFC's low season alleviation program.

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Repost: Non-offable boys

Repost: Non-offable boys

Fifth anniversary of the “Non-offable boys” post (20may2013). At that time I didn't have my blog (another anniversary coming up!), so I posted my experience on the forums:

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/8885-non-offable-boys/

https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?15041-Non-offable-boys

(can’t find the post on gaybuttonthai any more)

What I wrote on 14nov2016 here:

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/10550-bangkokphnom-penhsiem-reap-trip-report-the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/page-12#entry99798

still holds true. 

Sitting at Hotmale beer bar with a Farang friend recently and looking what is passing through the soi, I realize that the non-offable boy in 2013 was a turning point for me. Before I thought you can get fair deals, although expensive, but then slowly (only now I fully realize) dawned on me that they are just screwing me, grabbing as much money and providing as little in return as they (bars and boys) can get away with.

Before I though the customer is king, they will accommodate my wishes (always reasonable, if a boy says he doesn't bottom I accept that), but charge me dearly. But then I realized I'm being fooled, and that's a huge insult to me.

That event (boy does not want to go with me) eventually lead to me leaving the Soi Twilight scene (except for 2 or 3 visits per year with Farang friends who come for holiday) and taking all my business to Pattaya, online or even better look for free encounters. 

The greedy waiter at Classic boys fits in as well. That was around 2013-2014. There was (and still is) one who speaks good English and is not stupid. One day we got into chatting, which was interesting. On our several chats, I bought him the one or other beer, but one day I realized, he is not interested in friendship, he is interested in the beer I buy him!

Reading on the forums, many people seem to be content just sitting and chatting (with online translation if necessary) with these boys, I am not.

People like my loyal reader vinapu are as happy as a pig in mud stuffing 100 THB notes into every gogo boy who has not hidden by the count of 3's underwear, and paying short time rates over 2000 THB, but I find it all grossly overpriced, and can't bear the cacophony, smoking, and fake smiles any more.

Now I have the answer for those who find nothing wrong with boys rejecting customers. The job of a prostitute is a bit more intimate than other jobs, but a hairdresser or a doctor cannot reject a customer. Just like a doctor has to swear the Hippocratic Oath, anyone working in a brothel should have to swear the 

Oath of the Prostitute: I shall not decline a customer based on their race, color, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, weight or height. I shall serve all customers with equal enthusiasm. 

(This does not apply to customers who are inebriated, poorly behaved, known for previous misconduct. But these should already be intercepted at the door.)

Going to a brothel and not being able to pick one of their staff defies the purpose of a brothel! Then I can as well go to a sauna or online, where I can’t pick whom I want either, but don't have to pay!

Original text in italic: 

Non-offable boys

As if I hadn’t had enough trouble and deception and disappointment in finding sex (I’m not even talking about love!) in Thailand, now I became a victim of the “non-offable boy” as well.

Saturday 18.05.2013 

After having sat at Hotmale bar (water, 40 Baht) for two hours and observing the passing traffic, I stroll through Soi Twilight and there he is, the boy of my dreams at Scorpion Bar! He even smiles at me and invites me to the bar. I ponder if I should go eat first but it is starting to rain, so I enter. Another boy sits next to me and asks if I would like a massage (neck and shoulder), I agree. After massage, he asks for 100 Baht tip, which I give him. Should he have mentioned that the massage is not for free or should I have asked if the massage is for free? But that’s not my point.

I ask him to call over the cute boy and offer him (the cute boy) a drink. The cute boy does not speak English, so I try in Thai, only to learn that he is Vietnamese. Communication was impossible, I tried in English and Thai, he didn’t understand anything I said and I only understood “mai ruu”, so everything reported furthers is translated by staff (it seems he understands their Thai).

He is 18 years old (but could be underage, I should have had my request to see the passport translated, so I could be sure about age and know how long and how often he has been in Thailand). After fruitless attempts at conversation, I ask to off him. I won’t let language problems between us.

Staff member one says he cannot go off because he is new boy, only drinking and talking (if you speak Vietnamese!).

There is a slight probability that the Vietnamese boy I had in Fresh Boys last year badmouthed me because we had a very unpleasant negotiation of his tip (he wanted 2000 for short time, I finally shoved him out of my hotel room with 1600) and this message spread via other boys to this boy.

I don’t give up, wait until another staff member walks past and ask again. Same answer. Finally, they call the owner. He is Thai, but lives in Paris most of the time (he is fluent in Thai, English and French as far as I can judge and has local knowledge of Paris, so I believe him that he speaks Chinese and Vietnamese as well). The cute boy is family (whatever that means) and cannot go off at all, not now and not later. He has been working there for almost a month (didn’t notice him before, should have asked to see his passport!) and returns to Vietnam every 30 days to get a new visa.

Now I wonder: how does he earn money if he can’t be offed? I even wonder how other Vietnamese boys who can be offed, but have to do a visa run every 30 days, can come out with a positive balance (even if they get 2000 for short time).

I pay for our drinks (orange juice, 100 Baht each), no tip for waiter, no tip for boy. I don’t go to bars to drink or to chat with boys (if I could speak Vietnamese), I go to off!

I should have told the owner that I feel deceived. 

After four years of whoring around in Thailand, I became slightly jaded, so the moments are rare that I see a boy and within milliseconds I know “this one and nobody else for tonight!”. This is the second time it happened this year. 

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