Monday, 30 November 2020

Dating Thai boys (83) Asking questions

Dating Thai boys (83) Asking questions
 
A draft of this post was accidentally posted prematurely on 29nov2018 here: https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2018/11/dating-thai-boys-asking-questions-draft.html Now full version.

Thai boys ask completely different questions and give completely different answers than Whites do. Here some observations and thoughts.

Have you eaten yet?
Eating is a non-issue for us, but I assume most Thai boys’ grandparents know hunger, and for boys from Cambodia, Lao or Myanmar, even their parents still know hunger. So food was an issue just decades ago. Now it's a general greeting like "How are you" in English.

This is mirrored by a friend from Germany, who likes lewd and ordinary talk, greeting me with “Heute schon gefickt?” (Did you have sex today?) because this is one of the main things on his mind.

I have one piece of chat from a friend where “Have you eaten yet?” was used to lead over to “But I haven’t eaten yet, because I have no money for food.”
 
Where are you now?
I usually ask this early on, because I don’t want to chat, I want to fuck! And for setting up a date, location is important. I would use chatting just to establish “Sex yes/no, when and where?”, but have to go through all the crap.

To “Where are you now?”, I expect (often in vain) answer of a similar geographical level. When I’m in Bangkok Sathorn, and the boy replies that he is in Thailand, that is of little use. Similar “I’m at home”, “I’m with my sister” and the like is of no use.

The importance is shown by a chat with attention-deficit-hyperactivity-syndrome (in this case rather retard) boy on 29.10.2015. In the afternoon, he writes he wants to go with me to Khao San in the evening. One hour before agreed meeting time (without place specified), I ask where he is. First reply “@home now”. Then link to location: Phetchabun! I should have asked earlier, then I wouldn’t have lost two hours in planning my evening.
 
There are two ways to ask "Where are you?" in Thai. "อยู่ไหน yòo năi " will give an answer "I'm home/at work/...", whereas "แถวไหน tăew năi" which will give a name of a place (province, town, road, shopping mall).

What are you doing now?
Irrelevant, but I ask it as well as a conversation starter, or to see if a boy is working or not. When I’m in sauna, massage, bar, have sex, I switch my phone to airplane mode anyway, so I don’t have to lie, and for everything else I wait for some innocent activity like eating, reading, internet, riding on bus/taxi/train, or simply ignore the question or reply with where I am (and let the boy figure out what I'm doing there, mostly it's obvious).

Who are you with? Who do you travel with? Thai or Farang friend?
Thai boys often ask me “who are you with”, and I still can’t see why that matters. Probably serves to assess my relationship status. For me, the boy's relationship status is irrelevant, I just want to have sex. I don’t care and never ask who they are with. 

I dread "ไปกับใคร bpai gàp krai" (who are you going with?) because it can lead to endless chat about my relationship with traveling companion.

 
Questions show how people tick
The previous three paragraphs show that questions show how people tick or what is the most important thing on their mind.
 
I ask "Where are you now?" because for me, distance is the most important barrier to meeting a boy. I travel mostly by walking and public transport which would take too long and be too inconvenient to meet a boy. I'm reluctant to take a taxi to pick up a boy (danger of no-show). Whereas a friend who has a car will pick up any boy within 10 km from his location without hesitation.

For Thai people, my relationship status is important because having sex with someone who is in a relationship bears social stigma, and if caught, not the cheating boyfriend is the culprit, but the one who seduced him.

When I talk with my parents about my activities in Thailand and mention Farang friends, my mother would often ask "Does he have brothers or sisters?" Now finally my loyal reader vinapu's question from two years ago is answered: my mother grew up as eldest of 4, her parents both working, so she had to take care of her 3 younger siblings and that determined her life until she moved out and that's the most important thing on her mind! 
 
Multiple choice questions
Avoid multiple choice questions like “Do you like ice cream or cake?” The answer might be “Yes.”

https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/12314-translate-app/?do=findComment&comment=133018
If the boy can speak a small bit of English, then only ask him closed questions  e.g. "Would you like short time or long time?" "Are you top or bottom?" are both BAD as the answer will inevitable be an ambiguous YES or NO  Better to as them "We go long time, ok?" "I fuck you, ok?" work much better as there is on ambiguity about the answer  
 
Are you top or bottom?
I used to not like when a boy asks me “are you top or bottom”, and I never asked about prospective sexual activities, but now I like it because these boys have sex in mind (so do I!) and not “can you help me with (rent/phone/shoes/…)” or หาพี่ใจดี hăa pêe-jai-dee (looking for generous elder) or “no sex before marriage”.

Asking two questions
Never ask a boy two questions at the same time. You might get one answer, but you won’t be able to assign the answer to one of your questions.
 
Or: https://www.thailandredcat.com/strange-and-weird-habits-of-thai-people/  When you ask Thai People two questions, they will only answer the second one.

Asking one question
So if I can ask only one question to assess if the boy is available for sex in the next few hours, which should it be, "what are you doing" or "where are you"?

Strict logic
I lost count of how often I have asked “Do you have Line?” and the answer was “Yes.” Followed by a gap, me waiting for his Line ID, followed by “What’s your Line ID?” Now I just assume everyone has Line and ask “What’s your Line ID?”

However some have a Line ID but don’t use Line at the moment! (Try to move chat from hornet to Line, but messages on Line not read!)

Really?
When a boy asks me something, usually "Where are you?" or "What are you doing now?", I sometimes get "Really?" as a reply.  That puzzled me long time because I thought it's an expression of disbelief. But one friend once explained to me it's rather an expression of encouragement or admiration and does not require a reply.
 

Wednesday, 25 November 2020

The End of Soi Twilight

The End of Soi Twilight

A pictorial chronicle of the demise of Soi Twilight. WARNING: you mind find these pictures disturbing. Pictures I took of the end of Soi Twilight in chronological order. I touched this subject before:
https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2019/04/quiz-where-were-these-pictures-taken.html
https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2019/12/changing-cityscape-of-bangkok-2-gay.html

Front entrance (Soi Surawong, dates are in file names):







That was the last (25mar2020) I would see of Soi Twilight. The following picture (posted 18jun2020) from sawatdeenetwork:

source: https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?21451-The-future-What-do-pink-dollars-want&p=267462&viewfull=1#post267462

Classic Boys (for pictures of interior see link on top, quiz apr2019)







Hotmale (alley in front of Hotmale with their sign as visual anchor)





Various (Fresh Boys, interior or X-Boys,
alley, view from overfly bridge)






This picture was taken from overfly bridge on Rama 4 on 31mar2020. Now being in Germany to sit Covid-19 out, but demolishing probably continuing, this will be the last I saw of Soi Twilight.

This subject on the gay forums, selected threads:

https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/12424-soi-twilight-19-june-2019/  (Poster "This Soi we go on for 6 years" copied from sawatdeenetwork, but where is the original?)

History of Soi Twilight July 1st, 2020
https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?21487-History-of-Soi-Twilight

Entrance to Soi Twilight Mon Jan 13, 2020
https://gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10187 (picture from 13jan2020, and "This Soi we go on for 6 years")

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Thursday, 5 November 2020

Dating Thai boys (82) Sudden Reappearance

 Dating Thai boys (82) Sudden Reappearance

In the last months, some boys I had lost all contact with (gay online dating, facebook, line) suddenly reappeared. It's not just me, a Farang friend in Thailand reported the same.

I try to get more than one way to contact boys, from online dating move chat to Line or facebook. In some cases there is ping-pong (Line goes quiet, but I still have to boy online dating and get his new Line there), in some cases more than one way to contact doesn't help because all go quiet.

In chronological order of reappearance:

Oil lost on 13jun2017, reappeared on 11aug2020 with a new facebook account.
https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2020/09/no-gay-activities-august-
2020.html
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Ball/Pond stole about 6000
THB from on 20may2017 and then blocked me on facebook. https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2017/04/dating-thai-boys-50-thieves.html He was not a clear hit type-wise, so I forgot about him over the years. Now I friend an okay looking boy on facebook and he messages me and asks if I remember him (I don't, but I don't say so directly, but ask where and when we met). The details match Ball/Pond, but only when comparing tattoos he had then and now I can be sure it's the same.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PTRN met on 22nov2018, no show on 6mar2019, last activity on hornet 23may2019, reappeared on 27oct2020. (10feb2020 "Offline" is a comment to myself, I came across our abandoned Line chat and checked if he is still on hornet.)

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Pele
 I met a few times when in 2013, and then saw him online some years later, and now find a profile on hornet in Berlin that looks like him a few years older!

He has the money and time to travel from Thailand to Berlin, and back with all the effort required to enter Thailand, and want to scrounge 50 EUR from me? Outrageous! My confirmation that I would support him if/when we meet in Thailand is more polite than serious; he had several chances in 2013 that he didn't use, and me contacting him now was more curiosity than looking for sex.

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